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Local GLOW v Thrust Perceptions Questioned by CGN

After reading much local forum discussion on the general perception and subsequent application of the Motor Thrust v Gross Lift Off Weight ratio, CGN's Fridge made the following comment to the forum membership:

"At the end of the day, I believe that a fairly simple guideline has been molested into an ultra-simplistic variance that fornicates with arbitrary values to produce an inordinately overcomplicated field tool."

This was not received well by some of those in the forum membership.

Read the salvaged forum thread here.

Fridge had this to say:

Oh My God... wait a moment, I'm not religious - Oh My Porn Account! Where do I begin with this one? Actually, I pretty much had an issue with this thread from the time of it's initial posting. Too bad we can't read it all SINCE POSTS HAVE BEEN DELETED! (Yeah, I'm still hung up on that, just can't seem to see the thread for the pussies).

What is it exactly that we are talking about?

The ratio of one force compared to another. How much force is moving the rocket up compared with how much force is holding the rocket back. The thread title states GLOW to Initial Thrust where it should have been stated the other way around: Initial Thrust to GLOW as that is the way the ratio values are always presented 5:1, Thrust:Weight. Seems minor, I know, but if someone is just learning then; less assumptions are made and less confusion is had later on if terminology is correct from the start.

Ideally, a safe model rocket flight is considered to be one that goes straight up. The forces that act on a rocket in flight are:

1. Thrust - provided by the motor
2. Weight - provided via the mass of all the bits that make up the rocket
3. Lift - provided by the external surfaces
4. Drag - also provided by the external surfaces

Once the rocket leaves the launch rod (or whatever system is being used) it relies on several things to keep it on that vertical course. In model rockets, one of the things often required for stability are fins and the need for air to be moving around them fast enough. This is terribly simplistic of course as there are several disciplines of physics and maths devoted to the nitty gritty of what happens in that short distance of translation between not moving and leaving the end of the launch rod into flight. The 5:1 ratio is supposed be a simple verifying calc to ensure sufficient velocity at the time of leaving the launch guide for a straight up flight for a properly constructed rocket.

Why are we talking about it?

Basically, the thread started with a reference to the yanks using the 5:1 Thrust to Weight ratio at their launches and that we, for safety's sake, should adopt it over here. Not a bad premise, albeit slightly lacking in information.

The NAR - National Assosiation of Rocketry only seem to stipulate that you use certified motors and you use them to the manufacturers recomendations. This would then imply that if the manufacturer has listed a maximum lift-off weight for that particular motor, then the mass of the motor plus the mass of the rocket does not exceed that stated value (Note the misuse of the term weight here).

The TRA - Tripoli Rocketry Association has four conditions to abide by regarding the motor choice:

1. The motor is currently certified
2. The total installed power does not exceed the limitations of the field
3: The rocket can withstand the thrust produced by the motor
4: The initial thrust will provide at least a 5:1 thrust to weight ratio

view TRA's RSO guidelines here.

With condition 4, the guideline gives five examples - three examples sir - three examples of how the 5:1 can be verified:

1. Provide documentation showing the initial thrust provided by the motor
2. Use the average thrust given that it will always be at most equal to the initial thrust
5. Provide results from flight prediction software that shows either:

a) thrust to weight > 5:1
b) initial accelaration > 5 g's
c) velocity at the end of the launch guide to be > 45 feet/second

The PARC - Perth Advanced Rocket Club lists in their Range Manual the following
five conditions - three conditions sir - three conditions:

1. The motor being used must be an approved model rocket motor
2. Provide a LWR greater than 4
5. Have a delay that will ensure safe recovery

view PARC's 1998 Range Manual here.

With condition 2, the PARC Range Manual describes LWR as:

Lift to Weight ratio; the ratio between the initial thrust of a motor and the mass of the model.

This definition is incorrect on many levels:

Lift is a force that is generated only once the rocket is moving &;
Lift acts perpendicular to the direction of travel. Either way, it's not included in the ratio.
Mass is a different quantity to weight and while used in the calculation, is not a value in the ratio (Well, not without converting the Thrust value to kg at least).
The mass used is a combination of both the complete model and the motor which is why it is most commonly referred to as Gross Lift-Off Weight.

How to work it out

The Thrust to GLOW ratio is a dimensionless quantity since is uses the same units for both values so the units then cancel each other out.

Thrust, a force measured in Newtons
Weight, also a force measured in Newtons

The Initial Thrust values can be obtained from several sources:

NAR Motor Certification Page
TRA Motor Certification Page
CAR Motor Index

For the limp dicks, the Average Thust values can be obtained from the motor designation and if applied using the 5:1 calculation will result (usually) in a much higher Initial Thrust to GLOW ratio.

The Gross Lift-Off Weight comes from the mass (m kg) of the rocket in its ready to launch state i.e. Everything loaded and ready to go - multiplied by the acceleration due to gravity (g ms-2). GLOW = m x g Newtons

The value for acceleration due to gravity (g) can be worked out via this formula:

g = 9.80632 - LAT1 + LAT2 - ALT ms-2

where:
LAT1 = 0.02586 x cos 2ø
LAT2 = 0.00003 x cos 4ø
ALT = 0.00000293 x h
ø = degrees latitude
h = height in metres above sea level.

...Or you could just use 9.8 ms-2

Now all you need to do is compare the two values and make sure that the Thrust is at least 5 times greater (4 times for PARC) than the Weight.

i.e Fthrust > 5mg or, where g = 9.8

Fthrust > 49m

Look... a smilie

We all know Fridge loves a good argument...

 

Next: 29/9/2006 - Jimmy Neutron Speaks in Fridge's Defence
people prefer to use the 49:1 Thrust to GLOM ratio instead